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CEO Andy Jassy’s answer on Amazon’s cloud business cost shareholders nearly $100 billion

Amazon CEO Andy Jassy was seemingly wrong-footed during the first round of questions he faced on Amazon’s conference call yesterday, and shareholders paid dearly for it.

JPMorgan analyst Doug Anmuth asked Jassy a two-parter: how are suppliers, Amazon, and consumers digesting tariffs? And, why is Amazon Web Services growing slower than Google’s or Microsoft’s respective cloud divisions?

If you can read this entire quote, and you’re still not sure why Google Cloud is growing faster than AWS, you have reached the same conclusion as the market.

Jassy’s answer (emphasis ours):

“On the question on AWS, yeah, the first thing I'd say is it's — as you said, Doug, in your question, year-over-year percentages and growth rates are always a function of the base in which you operate. And we have a meaningfully larger business in the AWS segment than others. I think the second player is about 65% of the size of AWS. And when we look at the results over the last number of quarters there are sometimes we're as far as we can tell, we're growing faster than others and sometimes others are growing faster than us. But it's still like if you look at the second place player, you're talking about, it's a pretty — it's still a pretty significant segment, market segment leadership position that we have.

And regardless, these are all really just moments in time. The last week is a moment-in-time too where the reality of what really matters is what customers' experiences are in operating on these platforms. And if you look at what matters to customers, what they care a lot about what the operational performance is, what the availability is, what the durability is, what the latency and throughput is of the various services. And I think we have a pretty significant advantage in that area.

They care a lot about security. If you have data that matters and for most companies they're putting data that they really care about in the cloud. The security and the privacy of that data matters a lot and there are very different results in security in AWS than you'll see in other players. And yeah, you could just — you just look at what's happened in the last couple of months, you can just see kind of ventures at some of these players almost every month. So very big difference, I think in security.

And then I think a really significant difference in functionality where not just in the core infrastructure do we have a lot more functionality in our services, but I think if you look at our end- to-end offering in AWS, in AI, it's from the bottom of stack all the way to the top, it's pretty different. So you know, I feel good about the inputs and the services that we're offering to customers across AI as well as non-AI. And we could — we have more demand than we have capacity right now. So we could be doing more revenue and helping customers more and we're working very hard on changing that outcome and how much capacity we have. But it's still — like look at the business, it's a $123 billion annual revenue run rate business and it's still early. I mean, how often do you have an opportunity that's a $123 billion of annual revenue run rate where you say it's still early? It's a very unusual opportunity that we're very bullish about.”

When you’re explaining, you’re losing. Especially when your peers can just point to the scoreboard.

I’m reminded of the moment in “Blow” when Johnny Depp’s character waxes philosophical on the nature of his alleged crime and the judicial system while offering his plea. The judge’s retort: “Unfortunately for you, the line you crossed was real and the plants you brought with you were illegal, so your bail is $20,000.”

Because unfortunately for Jassy, this “moment in time” is “earnings season” and the numbers and answers he brought with him were underwhelming, so his punishment is a near $100 billion loss in market cap from that answer alone, as shares slumped roughly 4% amid those comments.

“On the question on AWS, yeah, the first thing I'd say is it's — as you said, Doug, in your question, year-over-year percentages and growth rates are always a function of the base in which you operate. And we have a meaningfully larger business in the AWS segment than others. I think the second player is about 65% of the size of AWS. And when we look at the results over the last number of quarters there are sometimes we're as far as we can tell, we're growing faster than others and sometimes others are growing faster than us. But it's still like if you look at the second place player, you're talking about, it's a pretty — it's still a pretty significant segment, market segment leadership position that we have.

And regardless, these are all really just moments in time. The last week is a moment-in-time too where the reality of what really matters is what customers' experiences are in operating on these platforms. And if you look at what matters to customers, what they care a lot about what the operational performance is, what the availability is, what the durability is, what the latency and throughput is of the various services. And I think we have a pretty significant advantage in that area.

They care a lot about security. If you have data that matters and for most companies they're putting data that they really care about in the cloud. The security and the privacy of that data matters a lot and there are very different results in security in AWS than you'll see in other players. And yeah, you could just — you just look at what's happened in the last couple of months, you can just see kind of ventures at some of these players almost every month. So very big difference, I think in security.

And then I think a really significant difference in functionality where not just in the core infrastructure do we have a lot more functionality in our services, but I think if you look at our end- to-end offering in AWS, in AI, it's from the bottom of stack all the way to the top, it's pretty different. So you know, I feel good about the inputs and the services that we're offering to customers across AI as well as non-AI. And we could — we have more demand than we have capacity right now. So we could be doing more revenue and helping customers more and we're working very hard on changing that outcome and how much capacity we have. But it's still — like look at the business, it's a $123 billion annual revenue run rate business and it's still early. I mean, how often do you have an opportunity that's a $123 billion of annual revenue run rate where you say it's still early? It's a very unusual opportunity that we're very bullish about.”

When you’re explaining, you’re losing. Especially when your peers can just point to the scoreboard.

I’m reminded of the moment in “Blow” when Johnny Depp’s character waxes philosophical on the nature of his alleged crime and the judicial system while offering his plea. The judge’s retort: “Unfortunately for you, the line you crossed was real and the plants you brought with you were illegal, so your bail is $20,000.”

Because unfortunately for Jassy, this “moment in time” is “earnings season” and the numbers and answers he brought with him were underwhelming, so his punishment is a near $100 billion loss in market cap from that answer alone, as shares slumped roughly 4% amid those comments.

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Oracle soars after TikTok signs agreement to sell its US operations to consortium that includes the cloud computing giant

Oracle soared in after-hours trading on Thursday on news that TikTok owner ByteDance signed contracts with the three major investors who are leading a joint venture to take over the short-form video app’s US operations, per a widely-cited memo from TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew to employees.

The trio of parties in that consortium are the cloud computing company, private equity firm Silver Lake, and MGX, a tech investment company backed by Abu Dhabi.

Per reports, the structure of the deal is roughly aligned with what was outlined in September, which valued TikTok’s US operations at about $14 billion. Relative to some less-popular peers, that seems like a pretty low price tag, so picking up doomscrolling on a discount (or if you prefer, short-term video browsing on a budget) looks to be a worthy catalyst for the bump in the beaten-down hyperscaler’s shares. And that’s even before mentioning the potential for Oracle’s cloud business to enhance its preexisting relationship with TikTok.

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Rescheduling would lift regulatory pressures that have been weighing on US cannabis operators’ margins. Shares of weed companies, many of which don’t sell cannabis in the US, tumbled an hour before the executive order was signed.

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Rivian climbs as it rolls out a “universal hands-free” update and scores an upgrade from Baird

Shares of EV maker Rivian are on pace for their 10th best day of 2025 on Thursday, following an upgrade from Baird to “buy” from “hold” and the rollout of its new hands-free driving update.

Baird raised its price target on Rivian nearly 79% to $25, writing that “2026 is the year of R2.”

Meanwhile, Rivian says its new hands-free feature will allow drivers to take their hands off the wheel across 3.5 million miles of US and Canadian roads.

Despite referring to it as universal hands-free driving, the EV maker says the feature will not stop or slow for traffic lights or stop signs, follow navigation systems, or make turns, and will function only on roads with visible lane lines.

Rivian revealed the update at its AI Day last week, when it also hinted at a robotaxi plan.

Meanwhile, Rivian says its new hands-free feature will allow drivers to take their hands off the wheel across 3.5 million miles of US and Canadian roads.

Despite referring to it as universal hands-free driving, the EV maker says the feature will not stop or slow for traffic lights or stop signs, follow navigation systems, or make turns, and will function only on roads with visible lane lines.

Rivian revealed the update at its AI Day last week, when it also hinted at a robotaxi plan.

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The stock market loves your rising electricity bill

Utilities with a footprint in the massive PJM Interconnection, the country’s largest power grid, were up Thursday after prices set in a key auction hit a record high of $333.44 per megawatt-day.

Such power providers, including Talen Energy, Constellation Energy, and Vistra, saw tidy gains shortly before midday.

“This auction leaves no doubt that data centers’ demand for electricity continues to far outstrip new supply, and the solution will require concerted action involving PJM, its stakeholders, state and federal partners, and the data center industry itself,” Stu Bresler, set to become PJM’s chief operating officer next month, told Reuters.

As I’ve previously mused, political pushback from high power prices, partially created by the AI boom, could become a constraint on development of such sites. Democrats in the US Senate are now calling for hearings on the issue.

It’s fertile political soil. This morning’s US CPI report for November showed electricity prices up nearly 7% year over year, the highest since the tail end of the postpandemic inflation in April 2023.

“This auction leaves no doubt that data centers’ demand for electricity continues to far outstrip new supply, and the solution will require concerted action involving PJM, its stakeholders, state and federal partners, and the data center industry itself,” Stu Bresler, set to become PJM’s chief operating officer next month, told Reuters.

As I’ve previously mused, political pushback from high power prices, partially created by the AI boom, could become a constraint on development of such sites. Democrats in the US Senate are now calling for hearings on the issue.

It’s fertile political soil. This morning’s US CPI report for November showed electricity prices up nearly 7% year over year, the highest since the tail end of the postpandemic inflation in April 2023.

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