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As the race for autonomy heats up, data shows Google’s Waymo costs more than Uber and Lyft

It’s another nail in the millennial lifestyle subsidy coffin.

Rani Molla
6/12/25 10:57AM

New data from ride-share comparison app Obi reported by TechCrunch puts data to what many riders in San Francisco already knew: Google’s driverless Waymo is more expensive than driver-having Lyft and Uber.

Waymo’s average price for comparable rides was $6 more than Lyft and $5 more than Uber (41% and 31% more, respectively), the report found. During peak hours, Waymo’s average price was about $11 more than Lyft and $9.50 more than Uber. People are apparently willing to pay for the novelty. Obi’s chief revenue officer told TechCrunch that the difference is people’s excitement about the technology and a “real preference to sometimes be in the car without a driver.”

Waymo, which currently operates in San Francisco (and Silicon Valley), LA, and Austin, is booking more than a quarter of a million paid rides per week. That, of course, is a lot more than Tesla, which says it doesn’t have any competition in the autonomous ride-hailing space but is slated to offer its first paid robotaxi ride in Austin this month. It’s also a lot less than Uber, which operates overwhelmingly with human drivers in markets around the world and does about 33 million trips a day, or about 230 million trips per week.

Waymo vehicles are equipped with numerous expensive sensors and can cost roughly $200,000, enough to buy five or six regular cars. As of May, there were just 1,500 Waymos operating in all its markets.

A recent estimate gives Waymo, which launched commercially in San Francisco just two years ago, a whopping 27% of the city’s ride-share market, but that data includes only rides that start and end in places Waymo operates, so in reality it’s lower.

Waymo does still seem to be a bit of a novelty, popular among tourists, and can be impractical. Geofenced Waymos there drive only within the San Francisco Peninsula, meaning it won’t take you to Oakland or the airport. They also avoid highways and other certain areas.

Everyday traffic incidents that are easy for humans to navigate can prove tricky to autonomous cars. An Uber driver I spoke with last week in San Francisco told me that the best time to take a Waymo is in the middle of the night, when no one else is driving.

Watchers of the industry may notice the Waymo pricing data is surprising given that one of the main selling points of driverless cars is that they diminish labor costs and, by extension, the cost of a ride.

Earlier in Uber and Lyft’s existence, customers could count on what was known as the “millennial lifestyle subsidy” to afford rides with them. Those companies, awash in venture capital, offered huge discounts to users in order to gain market share — a move that rendered them largely unprofitable but also decimated competitors like yellow taxis. But as the companies went public, and as Silicon Valley pivoted to an emphasis on profit in recent years, that discount has disappeared.

The true cost of a Waymo, for now, is more than that of an Uber or Lyft, both of which cost more than they used to.

The question is whether Waymo can get to scale without more subsidies — and if there’s room for more than one autonomous vehicle company in any market.

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OpenAI and Microsoft reach agreement that moves OpenAI closer to for-profit status

In a joint statement, OpenAI and Microsoft announced a “non-binding memorandum of understanding” for their renegotiated $13 billion partnership, which was a source of recent tension between the two companies.

Settling the agreement is a requirement to clear the way for OpenAI to convert to a for-profit public benefit corporation, which it must do before a year-end deadline to secure a $20 billion investment from SoftBank.

OpenAI also announced that the controlling nonprofit arm would hold an equity stake in the PBC valued at $100 billion, which would make it “one of the most well-resourced philanthropic organizations in the world.”

The statement read:

“This recapitalization would also enable us to raise the capital required to accomplish our mission — and ensure that as OpenAI’s PBC grows, so will the nonprofit’s resources, allowing us to bring it to historic levels of community impact.”

Settling the agreement is a requirement to clear the way for OpenAI to convert to a for-profit public benefit corporation, which it must do before a year-end deadline to secure a $20 billion investment from SoftBank.

OpenAI also announced that the controlling nonprofit arm would hold an equity stake in the PBC valued at $100 billion, which would make it “one of the most well-resourced philanthropic organizations in the world.”

The statement read:

“This recapitalization would also enable us to raise the capital required to accomplish our mission — and ensure that as OpenAI’s PBC grows, so will the nonprofit’s resources, allowing us to bring it to historic levels of community impact.”

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9/11/25

BofA doesn’t expect Tesla’s ride-share service to have an impact on Uber or Lyft this year

Analysts at Bank of America Global Research compared Tesla’s new Bay Area ride-sharing service with its rivals and found that, for now, its not much competition for Uber and Lyft. “Tesla scale in SF is still small, and we dont expect impact on Uber/Lyft financial performance in 25,” they wrote.

Tesla is operating an unknown number of cars with drivers using supervised full self-driving in the Bay Area, and roughly 30 autonomous robotaxis in Austin. The company has allowed the public to download its Robotaxi app and join a waitlist, but it hasn’t said how many people have been let in off that waitlist.

While the analysts found that Tesla ride-shares are cheaper than traditional ride-share services like Uber and Lyft, the wait times are a lot longer (nine-minute wait times on average, when cars were available at all) and the process has more friction. They also said the “nature of [a] Tesla FSD ‘driver’ is slightly more aggressive than a Waymo,” the Google-owned company that’s currently operating 800 vehicles in the Bay Area.

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Oracle’s massive sales backlog is thanks to a $300 billion deal with OpenAI, WSJ reports

OpenAI has signed a massive deal to purchase $300 billion worth of cloud computing capacity from Oracle, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal.

The report notes that the five-year deal would be one of the largest cloud computing contracts ever signed, requiring 4.5 gigawatts of capacity.

The news is prompting shares to pare some of their massive gains, presumably because of concerns about counterparty and concentration risk.

Yesterday, Oracle shares skyrocketed as much as 30% in after-hours trading after the company forecast that it expects its cloud infrastructure business to see revenues climb to $144 billion by 2030.

Oracle shares were up as much as 43% on Wednesday.

It’s the second example in under a week of how much OpenAI’s cash burn and fundraising efforts are playing a starring role in the AI boom: the Financial Times reported that OpenAI is also the major new Broadcom customer that has placed $10 billion in orders.

Yesterday, Oracle shares skyrocketed as much as 30% in after-hours trading after the company forecast that it expects its cloud infrastructure business to see revenues climb to $144 billion by 2030.

Oracle shares were up as much as 43% on Wednesday.

It’s the second example in under a week of how much OpenAI’s cash burn and fundraising efforts are playing a starring role in the AI boom: the Financial Times reported that OpenAI is also the major new Broadcom customer that has placed $10 billion in orders.

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