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As the race for autonomy heats up, data shows Google’s Waymo costs more than Uber and Lyft

It’s another nail in the millennial lifestyle subsidy coffin.

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New data from ride-share comparison app Obi reported by TechCrunch puts data to what many riders in San Francisco already knew: Google’s driverless Waymo is more expensive than driver-having Lyft and Uber.

Waymo’s average price for comparable rides was $6 more than Lyft and $5 more than Uber (41% and 31% more, respectively), the report found. During peak hours, Waymo’s average price was about $11 more than Lyft and $9.50 more than Uber. People are apparently willing to pay for the novelty. Obi’s chief revenue officer told TechCrunch that the difference is people’s excitement about the technology and a “real preference to sometimes be in the car without a driver.”

Waymo, which currently operates in San Francisco (and Silicon Valley), LA, and Austin, is booking more than a quarter of a million paid rides per week. That, of course, is a lot more than Tesla, which says it doesn’t have any competition in the autonomous ride-hailing space but is slated to offer its first paid robotaxi ride in Austin this month. It’s also a lot less than Uber, which operates overwhelmingly with human drivers in markets around the world and does about 33 million trips a day, or about 230 million trips per week.

Waymo vehicles are equipped with numerous expensive sensors and can cost roughly $200,000, enough to buy five or six regular cars. As of May, there were just 1,500 Waymos operating in all its markets.

A recent estimate gives Waymo, which launched commercially in San Francisco just two years ago, a whopping 27% of the city’s ride-share market, but that data includes only rides that start and end in places Waymo operates, so in reality it’s lower.

Waymo does still seem to be a bit of a novelty, popular among tourists, and can be impractical. Geofenced Waymos there drive only within the San Francisco Peninsula, meaning it won’t take you to Oakland or the airport. They also avoid highways and other certain areas.

Everyday traffic incidents that are easy for humans to navigate can prove tricky to autonomous cars. An Uber driver I spoke with last week in San Francisco told me that the best time to take a Waymo is in the middle of the night, when no one else is driving.

Watchers of the industry may notice the Waymo pricing data is surprising given that one of the main selling points of driverless cars is that they diminish labor costs and, by extension, the cost of a ride.

Earlier in Uber and Lyft’s existence, customers could count on what was known as the “millennial lifestyle subsidy” to afford rides with them. Those companies, awash in venture capital, offered huge discounts to users in order to gain market share — a move that rendered them largely unprofitable but also decimated competitors like yellow taxis. But as the companies went public, and as Silicon Valley pivoted to an emphasis on profit in recent years, that discount has disappeared.

The true cost of a Waymo, for now, is more than that of an Uber or Lyft, both of which cost more than they used to.

The question is whether Waymo can get to scale without more subsidies — and if there’s room for more than one autonomous vehicle company in any market.

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Both companies are warning lawmakers that without a federal framework for autonomous vehicles — something Congress has debated for years and is now considering again as part of broader transportation legislation — China will seize the lead.

“The United States is locked in a global race with Chinese AV companies for the future of autonomous driving, a trillion-dollar industry comparable in strategic importance to flight and space travel,” Waymo Chief Safety Officer Mauricio Peña said in written remarks ahead of the event. “In the absence of US leadership on a national AV legislative framework, Chinese AV competitors will fill the gap and set the safety and technical standards for the rest of the world.”

Tesla Vice President of Vehicle Engineering Lars Moravy, for his part, wrote, “If the US does not lead in AV development, other nations — particularly China — will shape the technology, standards, and global market.” He added, “China will be the dominant manufacturer of transportation for the 21st century.”

The two companies face steep competition from Chinese firms, including Baidu, which operates a robotaxi service, and BYD, whose EVs offer driver assistance technology similar to Tesla’s Full Self-Driving and which has been outselling the US automaker.

Both companies are warning lawmakers that without a federal framework for autonomous vehicles — something Congress has debated for years and is now considering again as part of broader transportation legislation — China will seize the lead.

“The United States is locked in a global race with Chinese AV companies for the future of autonomous driving, a trillion-dollar industry comparable in strategic importance to flight and space travel,” Waymo Chief Safety Officer Mauricio Peña said in written remarks ahead of the event. “In the absence of US leadership on a national AV legislative framework, Chinese AV competitors will fill the gap and set the safety and technical standards for the rest of the world.”

Tesla Vice President of Vehicle Engineering Lars Moravy, for his part, wrote, “If the US does not lead in AV development, other nations — particularly China — will shape the technology, standards, and global market.” He added, “China will be the dominant manufacturer of transportation for the 21st century.”

The two companies face steep competition from Chinese firms, including Baidu, which operates a robotaxi service, and BYD, whose EVs offer driver assistance technology similar to Tesla’s Full Self-Driving and which has been outselling the US automaker.

$126B

Waymo is now worth $126 billion, after raising $16 billion in a funding round led by its parent company, Google. With this capital, Waymo plans to expand its robotaxi service to more than 20 new cities, including international markets.

On Wednesday, Waymo’s chief safety officer will testify at a Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation hearing, alongside a representative for Tesla, urging lawmakers to create a national regulatory framework for autonomous vehicles.

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Dan Ives thinks Tesla will someday merge with SpaceX, too

Wedbush Securities analyst Dan Ives is just like us: he thinks that Elon Musk’s Tesla and SpaceX could someday become one company.

In a note this morning, Ives argued there’s a “growing chance” Tesla will eventually merge in some form with newly merged SpaceX and xAI, as Musk builds what he sees as a single, sprawling AI ecosystem spanning both space and Earth.

Over time, Ives wrote, he thinks Musk will look to “combine forces/technologies,” with the long-term goal of owning and controlling more of the AI stack. Ives thinks Musk could achieve that “holy grail” over the next year and a half.

Earlier today, we pointed out the myriad similarities between Tesla and SpaceX — shared impossible missions, common methods for achieving those goals, and a physics-first, economics-later ethos — as well as Musk’s long-standing penchant for knitting his companies together in the first place.

Over time, Ives wrote, he thinks Musk will look to “combine forces/technologies,” with the long-term goal of owning and controlling more of the AI stack. Ives thinks Musk could achieve that “holy grail” over the next year and a half.

Earlier today, we pointed out the myriad similarities between Tesla and SpaceX — shared impossible missions, common methods for achieving those goals, and a physics-first, economics-later ethos — as well as Musk’s long-standing penchant for knitting his companies together in the first place.

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