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Tesla posts best revenue ever in last quarter with EV tax credit, but the stock slides on weaker margins

Tesla’s stock has stayed in the red in early trading on Thursday.

Updated 10/23/25 6:44AM

The last quarter with the US government’s EV tax credit was a serious boon for Tesla’s top line.

The company posted its highest quarterly revenue ever, at $28.1 billion in the third quarter, coming in ahead of Wall Street’s expectation of $26.4 billion. Unfortunately for Elon Musk and co. the top line strength failed to cascade through to the bottom line, with adjusted earnings per share coming in at $0.50, shy of analysts’ forecast of $0.54, according to data from Bloomberg.

The stock, which is known to swing sharply after earnings, fell after-hours, and has continued to stay in the red in early trading on Thursday.

During the earnings call, Musk made the case that “Tesla really is the leader in real-world AI” and, to that end, attempted to address the future of its autonomous cars and robots — topics Tesla bulls are more concerned with than old-fashioned electric cars.

He said the company now has “clarity” on achieving unsupervised full-self driving, but didn’t specify exactly what that meant. He did say it gave him confidence to expand vehicle production “as quickly as we can,” potentially hitting an annualized production rate of 3 million in the next two years. It’s unclear, however, if the demand for so many vehicles is there. Analysts expect Tesla’s full-year sales to decline for the second year in a row to 1.656 million in 2025.

Musk also said Tesla’s robotaxi program would be expanding to 8-10 cities this year, down from being available to half the US population as he said in July. It’s likely if that expansion does occur it will be akin to Tesla’s Uber-like service in the Bay Area where a person sits in the driver’s seat and uses supervised FSD — not really an autonomous experience.

On the robot front, Musk said Tesla will unveil Optimus version 3 in the first quarter of 2026, but noted that perfecting the robot’s hands has proven difficult and that they would be “doing rolling changes for the Optimus design even after start of production.” Earlier this year Musk claimed Tesla would build 10,000 robots for internal use in 2025.

Back in the present, Tesla still gets the vast majority of its revenue from regular EVs.

The latest earnings come after Tesla sold a record number of vehicles in the third quarter, helped by customers who flocked to buy EVs en masse to take advantage of the $7,500 tax credits before they expired.

Of course, that credit is going away and Tesla also accomplished the feat of record sales by offering huge discounts that ate into its profit margins.

Tesla’s automotive gross margin excluding revenue credits was 15.4% last quarter, down from 17.1% a year earlier. The analyst consensus was 16.3%, according to FactSet. For a longer-term comparison, that number was nearly 30% for the third quarter of 2021.

As a countermeasure to the end of the government’s tax credit, Tesla earlier this month unveiled its long-awaited more affordable vehicles, in the form of lower-trim versions of its Model 3 and Model Y. These “Standard” models cost about $5,000 less than previous versions, but also have a lot fewer features, with the intention of increasing sales volume as a way to drive overall revenue, though it’s likely that could eat into earnings.

Tesla reported $417 million in regulatory credits in the third quarter, down from $739 million a year ago. That number will likely decline going forward since there's effectively no longer a regulatory credit market in the US.

Tesla's overall net income dropped to $1.4 billion, down 37% from a year earlier, as operating costs soared: R&D expenses jumped 57%, and selling, general and administrative expenses climbed 32%.

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Elon Musk says Tesla Robotaxis are operating without drivers, sending stock higher

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said that Tesla’s Robotaxis are now operating in Austin without a safety monitor. Tesla has been testing driverless cars in the area for about a month, and Musk had previously said the company would remove safety drivers by the end of 2025.

It’s unclear how many exactly of the roughly 50 Robotaxis the company operates in the area don’t have drivers. Tesla is “starting with a few unsupervised vehicles mixed in with the broader robotaxi fleet with safety monitors, and the ratio will increase over time,” Ashok Elluswamy, Tesla’s head of AI, posted shortly after Musk. Ethan McKenna, the person behind Robotaxi Tracker, estimates it’s two or three vehicles.

What is clear is that the move is good for Tesla’s stock, which is currently up 3.5%, extending its gains after Musk’s tweet. Morgan Stanley said yesterday that it considers the removal of safety drivers a “precursor to personal unsupervised FSD rollout.” Unsupervised Full Self-Driving is widely considered to be integral to the would-be autonomous company’s value proposition.

At the World Economic Forum earlier on Thursday, Musk said, “Self-driving cars is essentially a solved problem at this point.”

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Survey: CEOs and workers have wildly different thoughts on AI productivity gains

One of the main reasons companies are rushing to adopt AI is to give their workers the miraculous productivity boost that AI companies have been promising — and believe will quickly earn back their investment.

But now that companies have been using AI for a while, a growing perception gap is emerging between the C-suite and their employees.

The Wall Street Journal reported on new findings by research firm Section, which surveyed 5,000 white-collar workers from companies with more than 1,000 employees.

More than 70% of the corporate executives in the survey said they were “excited” by AI, and 19% of them said the tools have saved them more than 12 hours of work per week.

But nonmanagement workers had a very different take on AI. Almost 70% of this group said AI made them feel “anxious or overwhelmed,” and 40% said the tools saved them no time at all.

The Wall Street Journal reported on new findings by research firm Section, which surveyed 5,000 white-collar workers from companies with more than 1,000 employees.

More than 70% of the corporate executives in the survey said they were “excited” by AI, and 19% of them said the tools have saved them more than 12 hours of work per week.

But nonmanagement workers had a very different take on AI. Almost 70% of this group said AI made them feel “anxious or overwhelmed,” and 40% said the tools saved them no time at all.

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Tesla jumps as Musk says he expects Optimus sales next year, European and Chinese FSD approval next month

Tesla CEO Elon Musk now says he thinks the company’s Optimus robots will be for sale to the public “by the end of next year.”

According to Musk, “That’s when we are confident that there is very high reliability, very high safety, and the range of functionality is also very high.”

Like many of Musk’s other timelines, that’s later than he previously predicted. In 2024, for example, Musk said the AI robots would be for sale in 2025.

Speaking with BlackRock CEO Larry Fink on a panel today at the World Economic Forum, Musk said the robots are currently doing “simple tasks” in Tesla factories, but believes “they’ll be doing more complex tasks and be deployed in an industrial environment” by the end of this year, before going on sale to the public in 2027.

Musk forecasts a future with “billions” of AI robots that “saturate all human needs.”

On a separate topic, Musk was bullish on regulatory approval for what Tesla calls Full Self-Driving technology in markets outside the US. “We hope to get supervised Full Self-Driving approval in Europe, hopefully next month, and then maybe a similar timing for China,” he said. Musk has said in the past that the pending regulatory approval for FSD in Europe is a key reason why Tesla’s sales in the region have been tanking.

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Waymo is now offering autonomous rides in Miami

Google subsidiary Waymo announced Thursday that it’s officially open for autonomous ride-hailing in Miami, expanding the company’s coverage area to six US cities. The company will be “inviting new riders on a rolling basis” to take rides across its 60-square-mile service area, which includes the Design District, Wynwood, Brickell, and Coral Gables. Waymo said it plans to expand to Miami International Airport “soon.”

Competitor Tesla currently operates a ride-hailing service with a safety monitor in the vehicle in Austin and the Bay Area.

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Apple to promote Siri from assistant to chatbot

Bloomberg reports that Apple plans to transform its Siri assistant into a full-fledged chatbot similar to OpenAI’s ChatGPT.

The chatbot would be integrated throughout the iPhone’s operating system rather than offered as a stand-alone app. It’s expected to arrive later this year and would be separate from more incremental, non-chatbot improvements to Siri rolling out in the coming months aimed at making the existing assistant more usable.

Both updates will be powered by Google’s AI models, Bloomberg reports, but the chatbot upgrade will be more advanced and akin to the much-lauded Gemini 3.

While the difference between an assistant and a chatbot may sound subtle, it represents a meaningful shift for Apple, which has long avoided a fully conversational interface and has lagged rivals that embraced one. Any new Siri chat capabilities could also eventually extend to other Apple devices under development, including wearables such as the pin Apple is developing.

Both updates will be powered by Google’s AI models, Bloomberg reports, but the chatbot upgrade will be more advanced and akin to the much-lauded Gemini 3.

While the difference between an assistant and a chatbot may sound subtle, it represents a meaningful shift for Apple, which has long avoided a fully conversational interface and has lagged rivals that embraced one. Any new Siri chat capabilities could also eventually extend to other Apple devices under development, including wearables such as the pin Apple is developing.

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