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The trillion-dollar mystery surrounding DeepSeek’s Nvidia GPUs

There’s a cloud of suspicion hanging over the type and number of Nvidia GPUs DeepSeek used to train its R1 models.

At the center of the story of DeepSeek’s breakthrough achievement with its R1 models lies the Nvidia hardware that powered the servers that trained those models.

In December 2024, DeepSeek researchers released a paper that outlined the development and capabilities of the new DeepSeek-V3 large language model. In the paper, the researchers said they were able to train their powerful, efficient model over 2.78 million GPU hours of computing time on a cluster of only 2,048 Nvidia H800 GPUs. That is a very small number of GPUs for a model that matched or beat OpenAI’s state-of-the-art o1 model in some benchmarks.

For comparison, Meta trained its Llama 3.1 models on two clusters, using a total of 39.3 million GPU hours with 49,152 Nvidia H100 GPUs. Last week, Mark Zuckerberg said that Meta is planning on ending 2025 with over 1.3 million GPUs.

Released in 2023, the H800 is a GPU thats similar to the H100 but is tailored for the Chinese market to comply with US export controls concerning national security parameters that the Biden administration rolled out in 2022. Reuters reported that the main thing Nvidia changed in the H800 was that it “reduced the chip-to-chip data transfer rate to about half the rate.”

But The Wall Street Journal reports that government officials found the H800 exploited technical loopholes that met the strict requirements of the ban, but still gave Chinese buyers very powerful AI chips. To close the loophole, in October 2023, the US government banned the export of H800s as well.

It appears that DeepSeek was able to acquire its H800s during that short window of availability.

DeepSeek’s claims are drawing suspicion from some observers in the AI industry, but most appear to be just speculation. Scale AI CEO Alexandr Wang told CNBC that he suspected DeepSeek has “about 50,000 H100s, which they can’t talk about obviously because it is against the export controls that the United States has put in place,” and in a tweet, Elon Musk replied, “Obviously.” Musk, meanwhile, has bragged about xAI’s “Colossus supercluster,” which is powered by 100,000 H100 GPUs, and that he plans to scale up to 1 million of the expensive Nvidia chips.

There have been reports of H100s being smuggled into China through a series of intermediaries on the black market, but no evidence that DeepSeek did so.

Adding to the confusion, DeepSeek cofounder Liang Wenfeng said that the company does own a cluster of 10,000 Nvidia A100 GPUs, a cheaper and less powerful AI chip.

The H100 has earned a status of being one of the most coveted pieces of computer hardware in the AI age. Even when other chips are used, the power is sometimes expressed as a number of “H100-equivalent” GPUs.

Nvidia is in the process of rolling out its next-gen H200 Blackwell GPUs, and last year CEO Jensen Huang hand-delivered the first DGX H200 server to OpenAI headquarters.

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Jefferies downgrades Apple to “underperform,” calls iPhone sales expectations “excessive”

Sure, Apple’s latest iPhone is selling better than some previous models, but that’s already reflected in the stock, Jefferies analysts wrote in a note today. In it they downgraded the stock to “underperform” and kept the price target roughly flat at $205.

The analysts argue the sales bump stems from high trade-in values and the lack of price hikes, rather than “new form factor or tech innovations.” As we recently noted, it could also have something to do with a natural upgrade cycle rather than consumers going nuts over NITS.

The analysts say the positive sales momentum for the iPhone 17 has engendered “excessive expectations” for the replacement cycle as well as for the company’s upcoming foldable iPhone.

“We do not doubt AAPL will be able to make the most beautiful foldable phone in the market, but the question is the TAM [total addressable market] of a US$2K phone,” they wrote.

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JPMorgan reiterates “underweight” rating after Tesla delivery beat

While Tesla delivered a massive delivery beat yesterday, JPMorgan analyst Ryan Brinkman wants to remind investors to put that beat into context:

  1. He noted that the surge was likely a temporary one thanks to pulled-forward demand by consumers hoping to capitalize on the $7,500 tax credit that ended September 30. That pull forward will necessarily mean fewer purchases later, and the end of the tax credit “ultimately will negatively impact Tesla deliveries as soon as October 1.” He added that the analyst consensus still expects Tesla’s full-year sales to decline.

  2. Tesla’s beat, Brinkman said, was in part due to analysts having dramatically lowered their previous estimates amid falling sales. While the nearly 500,000 deliveries in Q3 were about 12% higher than the analyst consensus right before the numbers came out, he noted that analyst expectations have been grinding lower for years. He pointed out that Street estimates for Q3 2025 deliveries peaked at 1.1 million in 2022. While the company missed that peak estimate by 56%, the stock is up 81% in the intervening years.

JPMorgan raised its third-quarter earnings-per-share and free cash flow estimates on the delivery numbers, but reiterated its “underweight” rating for the stock.

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Rani Molla

OpenAI’s Sora has bumped Google’s Gemini and OpenAI’s ChatGPT from the top of the App Store

OpenAI’s AI-only social media app, Sora, launched three days ago and is already No. 1 on the US free App Store, where it has displaced regular favorite AI apps Gemini from Google and ChatGPT, OpenAI’s main app. It’s an especially impressive feat given that for now the highly addictive, legally murky app is invite-only.

Of course, many a buzzy app has surged up the App Store ranks only to fizzle over time. We’ll see what happens with Sora.

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Jon Keegan

OpenAI’s hot Sora video app is a copyright lawsuit waiting to happen

OpenAI has generated some serious buzz surrounding its new Sora video generation app. The app is currently No. 3 on the iOS free app leaderboards, even though it’s invitation-only for the time being.

But users have been flooding social media with videos generated by Sora, and in addition to a “Skibidi Toilet” Sam Altman and the OpenAI CEO dressed as a Nazi, the app is able to create videos featuring iconic characters from Disney, Nintendo, and Paramount Skydance.

On the system card for the Sora 2 AI model (which powers the Sora app), OpenAI says it was trained on things found on the internet:

“Sora 2 was trained on diverse datasets, including information that is publicly available on the internet, information that we partner with third parties to access, and information that our users or human trainers and researchers provide or generate.”

This seems like an invitation for a big copyright lawsuit, along the lines of the one Disney, Dreamworks, and NBCUniversal recently filed against AI image generator Midjourney.

But OpenAI is trying to flip the responsibility of protecting copyrighted material to the intellectual property owners themselves. According to The Wall Street Journal, OpenAI is allowing copyrighted material in Sora by default, unless copyright holders opt out of the service.

The courts will have to decide if this novel approach to intellectual copyright law works, but government regulators may not be that big of a problem, as Altman has made sure OpenAI is in the good graces of the Trump administration. If OpenAI has to pay up to copyright holders after a lawsuit, what’s a few billion dollars here or there when you’re raising so much capital?

On the system card for the Sora 2 AI model (which powers the Sora app), OpenAI says it was trained on things found on the internet:

“Sora 2 was trained on diverse datasets, including information that is publicly available on the internet, information that we partner with third parties to access, and information that our users or human trainers and researchers provide or generate.”

This seems like an invitation for a big copyright lawsuit, along the lines of the one Disney, Dreamworks, and NBCUniversal recently filed against AI image generator Midjourney.

But OpenAI is trying to flip the responsibility of protecting copyrighted material to the intellectual property owners themselves. According to The Wall Street Journal, OpenAI is allowing copyrighted material in Sora by default, unless copyright holders opt out of the service.

The courts will have to decide if this novel approach to intellectual copyright law works, but government regulators may not be that big of a problem, as Altman has made sure OpenAI is in the good graces of the Trump administration. If OpenAI has to pay up to copyright holders after a lawsuit, what’s a few billion dollars here or there when you’re raising so much capital?

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