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Retail traders’ zest for Palantir put to the test as earnings await

High multiples usually mean high expectations, but Palantir’s profits are expected to nearly halve year on year.

2/3/25 8:26AM

It’s earnings day for Palantir, arguably the hottest retail stock of the moment.

That steadfast retail shareholder base came in handy after Palantir endured a pretty gnarly 19% drop between January 3 and January 13 amid a wobble in confidence around the highest flyers of the AI era.

Retail traders swooped in to buy the dip and for weeks they’ve been laughing, as the stock recovered its loss and then some. Shares recently hit record highs. Nice trade.

Still, the nagging question posed by Palantir’s insane valuation multiples — forward PE (173x), trailing PE (418x), price-to-forward sales (53x) — remains: is there a snowball’s chance in hell of Palantir’s sales, profits, and margins ever reaching a level that would come anywhere near justifying the company’s nearly $190 billion market valuation?

For what it’s worth, that level of market cap puts Palantir, which has been public for less than five years and in the black for just two, ahead of perennially profitable icons of corporate America like AT&T, Verizon, and Pfizer, to name a few.

Of course, there’s no way that today’s numbers — due around 5 p.m. ET — will answer that question conclusively. Even if Palantir blew the doors off the hinges and posted sales well above the consensus expectation of $771 million and a far fatter profit than the somewhat piddling $48 million that’s projected, the stock would still be laughably overvalued by any traditional metric.

As far as the details, analysts and traders are going to be especially interested in whether Palantir sees a Q4 fillip in sales to corporate clients rather than its larger business of selling defense and intelligence software to governments and militaries. Palantir has been talking up the demand for its AI software products from private-sector buyers recently.

But if the numbers fall far short, it stands to reason it could take some wind out of the stock’s sails.

Shareholders may rightly wonder whether the superheated rhetoric emanating from Palantir executives might actually be an attempt to sex up a fairly standard software business. A bad quarter could also prompt shareholders to take a second look at the fact that the CEO has picked up the pace of his share sales (albeit through a prearranged stock sale program) and has dumped over $2 billion worth of Palantir stock in the last six months, according to one analyst.

Or maybe not. In many ways, we’re in something of a LOL-nothing-matters market.

Case in point: traditional business metrics like sales and profits have proven a remarkably poor guide predictor for Tesla’s share price recently, so much so that flummoxed Wall Street analysts are going public with the fact that they’re at a loss to explain the stock’s rise in the face of obviously ugly earnings last week.

Tesla is an interesting comp for Palantir. Both companies are wealth vehicles of right-wing oligarchs with close ties to the Trump administration. Both have rabid contingents of retail shareholder and outspoken, charismatic CEOs. And both have crucial business issues that hinge on federal government policies, whether it’s in the form of the federal EV tax credits that incentivize sales of electric offerings like Teslas or the fact that Palantir’s single largest customer is the US government. (Oh and there’s also Musk’s other venture, SpaceX, which is a major government contractor.)

Oddly enough, these two companies also happen to be the top two stocks in the S&P 500 (closely followed by Taser maker Axon) since President Trump won the election in November, suggesting that at least some investors are betting on benefits for Tesla and Palantir under the new administration that traditional business metrics don’t quite capture.

Ain’t the free market grand.

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The bank’s optimism stemmed largely from the media giant’s potential for dealmaking. In June, WBD announced that it would split its operations into two companies, with the Streaming & Studios division (home to Warner Bros. Television, DC Studios, HBO, and Max) standing alone from the networks side (CNN, TNT Sports, and Discovery).

That separation could make the Streaming & Studios unit more attractive to buyers, the analysts said. They valued the segment at about $65 billion, which could translate to a takeover price north of $21 a share. Potential suitors range from Amazon and Apple to Sony and Comcast, though analysts flagged Netflix as the “most compelling” option despite its limited acquisition track record:

“While NFLX has historically not been acquisitive, [streaming and studios’] $12bn in annual content spend + library + 100+ acre studio lot offers a lot. It kickstarts a theatrical IP strategy, quickly scales video games and most importantly provides premium content to members.”

At Goldman Sachs’ Communacopia + Technology Conference this week, CEO David Zaslav also highlighted growing traction at HBO Max and hinted at future crackdowns on password sharing.

WBD shares are up 26% year to date, and up more than 93% over the past 12 months.

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Duolingo up on bullish note, hopes for a user rebound

Duolingo rose by the most in nearly a month after an analyst note painted a more bullish picture of the gamified language-learning company despite a dearth of news otherwise.

A quick check-in with analysts covering the stock on Wall Street found most of them otherwise flummoxed on the reason behind the uptick Thursday.

Some, however, suggested the rise may reflect optimism that the company has been able to reverse a monthslong downturn in daily active user metrics — a slump that set in after a social media backlash to a somewhat artless LinkedIn post from the company about its AI first strategy.

The bullish analyst note, published Thursday by Citizens JMP, suggested Duolingo could be a big beneficiary from a change to Apple’s rules governing its App Store driven by a ruling on a federal antitrust case against the company. The analysts wrote:

Given “Apple’s recent changes to U.S. App Store rules that allow developers to steer payments to the web where fees are similar to typical credit card fees rather than Apple’s 30% fee for in-app purchases and 30% fee on subscriptions for the first year and 15% thereafter, we expect mobile app companies including Duolingo, Life360, and Grindr Inc. to unlock meaningful cost benefits.”

At any rate, the next big event on the company’s calendar is its Duocon 2025 conference on Tuesday, where analysts are hoping to hear more hard information on all of the above topics.

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Shares of Jeep and Dodge maker Stellantis are up more than 8% in Thursday afternoon trading, following comments from the automaker’s new CEO, Antonio Filosa, at a European auto conference.

On tariffs, Filosa said that Stellantis has had a “very productive exchange of ideas” with the Trump administration on the company’s manufacturing footprint and that the environment around the levies is “getting clearer and clearer.”

The US is Stellantis’ top priority, according to Filosa, and the company has taken efforts to turn things around in the market, where its struggled with sales in recent years. To fuel the turnaround, Stellantis is bringing back its popular Jeep Cherokee, which it discontinued in 2023.

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